What's on your mind?
It seems like a lot of people fail to understand Alien X and his powers/abilities. Some wank him to an unbeatable god capable of doing anything and everything. Some people lowball him to a universal reality-warper who gets beaten by every 5D or multiversal character.
Alien X is far from omnipotent, like really far. The best that you could argue is him being nigh omnipotent which I can agree with due to the writers misusing the term omnipotent and MoA even clarifying that Ben isn't omnipotent. The problem is that some people don't understand what MoA said. They take it as Ben being weaker than other Celestialsapiens because he has a mix of their dna when EVERYTHING that we've seen about the omnitrix says otherwise. All of Ben's aliens have been capable of destroying the original alien. Every form he has is the prime shape of the alien. We can even assume that Alien X would be the strongest decisive Celestialsapien we've seen (Serena and Bellicus even said he was the most decisive Celestialsapien they've ever seen). Also its not even possibly for Alien X its be weaker than other Celestialsapiens because he's existed before any version of Ben was alive and he's used by every version of Ben.
Now that i've cleared up a huge misconception I want to get into another one about the Forge of Creation. The Celestialsapiens reside in a space separate from the universe, but thats not an actual feat and I wish people wouldn't bring it up unless it was relevant to the discussion. Anyone talking about Alien X should bring up that he himself is above the concept of space and time and separate from the universe instead of just where they live.
Another thing that really bugs me is people saying that "Alien X isn't even his strongest omnitrix alien."
We've never seen this alien and we don't know if it exists
Ben himself has said Alien X is his strongest alien (you'd think he'd be corrected otherwise)
MoA themselves said that Celestialsapiens are the strongest aliens in the known universe (He didn't even have samples of aliens from the Andromeda galaxy, so why would he have the DNA of an unknown species from the far reaches of the universe.)
Now that that's out of the way I want to tackle the biggest issue with Alien X. Is he above 5th dimensional. Yes. I think someone could even argue that he's above the concept of dimensions. We've been shown 5th dimensional beings who created the universe and made the universe creating/destroying bombs, just a portion of Alien X could slice through a barrier they deemed indestructible and unbreakable like butter. Not only this, but the 26th dimensional beings (they said they saw the 26th dimensions that mattered so there are likely more and they might be on the 27th dimension as they can look down on 26 dimensions.) are stated to be 2nd to the Celestialsapiens. I'm no professor or anything but I believe that if you are stronger than a 26th dimensional being (who made a childs toy on the same level of complexity as the universe creating/destroying bomb) then you should be able considered higher than 5th dimensional at least. BTW this childs toy is on a level of technology superior than the Omnitrix and it bullied Ben and his companions and wanted to destroy the universe after having some fun, Ben found a way to deactivate it but then an angry Naljian mom who i'm gonna call Karen teleported in and was like "What are you bloody buggers doin with me daughters toy, the label clearly says you must be 3 million years old (paraphrased but thats pretty much what she said including being 3 million years old)" fixed it then peaced out. These are the beings that Celestialsapiens are more powerful than.
Celestialsapiens were written extremely overpowered but executed horribly. Its really a mess to scale them and you have Ben 10 fanboys going "GRRRR ALIEN X IS OMNIPOTENT LOL HE'S LITERALLY UNBEATABLE EAZY STOMP". And then on the other side "Bruhhh legit he's not even that strong I think any DC or Marvel character stomps him with mid diff bruh."
I could be wrong about some things, I could be right. IDC I just wanted to point out why Alien X is really misunderstood. *cough* the writers don't understand omnipotence and tried giving him weaknesses while contradicting themselves then MoA tries to fix the problem but people don't know what to take as canon or ignore*cough*.
Edit: Btw this wiki did a pretty good job on scaling him and i'm not calling for like a change or anything. Just pointing some things out that people get wrong and don't understand.
First of all, we definitely need better forums.
Second of all, I've done yet another revision on a profile, this one being Godzilla (Composite). This one's missing A LOT, so here it is:
First this wiki needs better forums
Now let’s get on to the animatronics before I go off topic
1: Freddy and Foxy can crush skulls that’s a 9-B feat
2: They should have the haxes here they are
Technological manipulation, Inorganic Physiology (due to being an Animatronic), Non-Corporeal (Posseses a child's soul), Stealth Mastery, Illusion Creation, Fear Manipulation
Both at 9-B
No prep time
Battle takes place in a empty house
Win via death, KO, or Incap
Exactly what it says on the tin. Real-life T-rex goes up against the Owlbear from D&D. Fight takes place in two rounds and is set in an open forested area around sunrise.
Round 1: Speed not equalized.
Round 2: Speed IS equalized.
Just a few things to consider,
Tyrannosaurus is around 10x heavier than the Owlbear and possesses a bite force of with an absolute maximum of 2,971,641,560 N/m^2 of force (431,000 lbs/in^2) with the use of certain teeth, however the average is around 12,000 lbs/in^2.
With speed not equalized, the Owlbear is, at the very least, 3x faster than the Rex.
Sentry has defeated and killed molecule man, but sentry is still in Low 2-C and molecule man is 2-A. Shouldn't sentry be in 2-A as well?
Also, since he is superior to molecule man, shouldn't his range be increased to multiversal+?
And what about his merged with void from? Scout rivaled the original sentry in power, and merged with void took him out with ease. Shouldn't he get some upgrade for that too?
Dracolich from D&D faces off against Kel'Thuzad from WoW. Now, while the latter greatly eclipses the former in raw damage output (6-A vs 7-A maybe 6-C), the Dracolich does have a few nifty abilities that could potentially give him an edge and allow him to slowly wittle away at Kel. Speed is equalized, victory via incap, BFR or death (undeath?) EDIT: Fight takes place on the Fields of the Dead.
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Super Sonic, with the help of Super Shadow and Super Silver, defeated Solaris who was going to destroy all timelines in past present and future. That should make the Super form a variable tier with 4-A as a low-End and
at least low 2-C as an high-End. And Hyper Sonic should be higher since he is stronger than Super Sonic
Both in character with no prep time. They start a few meters away from each other and Ezio doesn't have the Apple of Eden.
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I've noticed that MonsterVerse Godzilla's tiering has been increased from 7-B to Low 6-B, the reason being he tanked the Permian-Triassic asteroid.
Normally I'd be all for this however it rubs me the wrong way, not only because the notice regarding the inconsistency of the asteroid itself was removed, but because the feat relies on a rather dubious fan calculation. I personally don't trust pixel scaling at all unless we have official numbers to work with rather than simple fan guesstimation.
Another reason I'd like it changed is because the calc itself is somewhat disingenuous, as it is effectively using damage estimates from the Chicxulub impact as a sort of stand-in for the Permian-Triassic extinction asteroid due to a lack of info for the latter, which obviously would produce an erroneous result.
Lastly, the comic's canonicity with the franchise is questionable at best. It was just supplementary material to serve as a quick cash-grab in order to promote the 2014 movie. As more movies are added, this sort of stuff typically gets left by the wayside as it was never meant to serve as any kind of hardcore universe expansion or be taken seriously.
Godzilla: King of the Monsters hits theaters on 05/31/19. If it ends up establishing events that contradict the Godzilla: Awakening comic, then that comic will have effectively been retconned and Godzilla's tier shall be changed.
I noticed that they're both 8-A, red and hard to get rid of, so why not.
Both have their standard equipment but no prior knowledge. Victory via death only and speed is equalized.
Merc with a mouth: 0
Tiny angry lesbian: 0